Problema pagamento con book asitatico the last version

[nachoman]

Well, at least this thread served to take fantabaldu out of his hole and write some kind of answer. Let's start by clarifying some things that are just not true in what fantabaldu's has now written: first of all I know fantabaldu for 3 years now, I open an account at IBC and SBO through him and whenever I lost (and it happened a few times) I always payed him back the exact ammounts owed. Approximately 1 year ago he offered himself to be my agent in this asian bookie called mmmbet. He himself was a "master agent" there, so it's a lie that he was just doing me a favour - he in fact had 15% of the risk taken for my bets (wins and/or losses, but in this case it was losses, meaning that he was in fact betting against me) since he was the "master agent", in addition to the basic commision that every agent has on the total ammount bets (won or lost) taken by his clients. So this is the first point that should be clear: this was not just a "favour" he was doing to me, he was an interested part in this business relation we had created.

for several months it was working out fine and we never had any problems: when the clients won they received their winnings from fantabaldu, when they lost I would send the money to fantabaldu. I too was a bettor in mmmbet in the same manner. Suddenly back in January 2010 he closed all our accounts (mine and my clients'), saying that mmmbet was losing money with us (which is understandable if and when you are playing cash to your winning clients). Fantabaldu was upset by losing money with us as well (remember, he was taking 15% of the risk AGAINST our bets) and just said he was settling an X ammount of money to close all those accounts, knowing pretty well that there were still 7.276 euro still missing (and I have all the evidence to support this claim). But since he was so upset by his "lack of intelligence" (for taking 15% of the risk against such sharp group of clients) just said that that was the final ammount he was going to pay, that he had settled for that ammount and was not going to pay one more euro despite all evidences pointing that there was still a good ammount missing. In conclusion, he ended up taking those 7.276 euro that were still missing and were taken from me and my clients. There is no confusing, no misunderstanding, no different versions of the numbers, no nothing: just a person that DID NOT HONOR his commitments and what was agreed in the first place. Maybe in Italy people are not so upset when people fail on fulfilling their commitments or their contracts since I see so many people here talking so marvelously about fantabaldu when in my personal case this story proves how dishonest a person he is and how he ended up robbing me of 7.276 euro.

From January 20th to this past week I sent him around hundred emails and MSN messages and he simply did not answer anything. Now all of a sudden just one day after I opened this thread on a public forum he finally has time to tell his beautiful story: "he only did some favours helping people betting in asian bookies but was never an agent" - please, we're not that dumb! I'm tired of people that don't pay their clients when they are due and just run away with the money. Here I have no hope of recovering the money he robbed me but this was not the purpose of writing this thread on the forum: it was simply to warn other people that could make the same mistake that I did and bet with fantabaldu and now can have a clearer picture of what this person is really about and how honest he is. I have a ton of evidences supporting my version but no need to put them all in here.

So thanks for hearing my story and for me this subject is a closed matter.



Bene cominciamo, chiarendo alcuni punti che non sono vere per la storia che fa fantabaldu, so fantbaldu tre anni da quando ho aperto il conto presso la SBO all'IBC e più volte ho perso soldi e pagare come "appropriata" . Circa un anno fa mi sono offerto volontario per essere l'agente di mmmbet, fantabaldu agente stesso maestro era lì "è una bugia che ti fa un favore, aveva il 15% del rischio di peerdite o guadagni da aggiungere all'agente master commissione dato dal bookmakers per le scommesse dei loro clienti (vittoria / perdita) "Questo non è un favore che FA FANTABALDU, EL era una parte interessata. Non ho mai avuto problemi quando sono stato l'invio di clienti perso soldi e quando i clienti hanno mandato i soldi guadagnati, mi è stato anche scommesse (mmmbet). fino a quando tutti i conti chiusi nel mese di gennaio, sostenendo che mmmbet perso dei soldi con i miei clienti (il che è comprensibile, purché si paghi il denaro giocatori.) Fantabaldu arrabbiato per la situazione di perdita di denaro sul gioco d'azzardo (era il rischio del 15% in perdite o guadagni, in questo caso perso) ha detto che sarebbe disposta a pagare X, sapendo che tutti gli altri importi da pagare era? 7.276 € in più (io ho tutte le prove), ma arrabbiato con i soldi di perdere, ha detto che tali conti non andavano a pagare qualsiasi altra cosa, così mi è stato rubato? 7.276. NO confusione NUMERI NADA NI, solo una persona che non fa rispettare i loro impegni. Forse in Italia è il benvenuto persone che non pagano, perché vedo molte persone parlare meraviglie fantabaldu nel mio caso personale questa è la storia di qualcuno che sostiene di essere onesti e tradisce? 7.276. Dal 20 gennaio fino alla data di inviare 100 email e MSN e non risponde. Mi è stato anche derubato da POINTBET e anche un agente di 154.000 $, e? che è una giustificazione per non pagare ", ma ora sembra che un giorno dopo habierto questo thread, l'hanno prossimo e il tempo per raccontare la loro storia (fare favori a chi vuole scommettere su Asia, ma non è un agente, per favore). Sono stanco di coloro che non pagano quando perdono, non ho alcuna speranza di raccogliere i soldi e questo non era il motivo per cui ho scritto questo thread è stato semplicemente quello di mettere in guardia i giocatori d'azzardo prospettiva che scommettere con Fantabaldu, se si crede nella mia storia. (Ho tonnellate di prove.) La ringrazio molto e finisco questo argomento.

[Il Web]

Maybe in Italy people are not so upset when people fail on fulfilling their commitments or their contracts since I see so many people here talking so marvelously about fantabaldu when in my personal case this story proves how dishonest a person he is and how he ended up robbing me of 7.276 euro.

That is not correct. Maybe there are some people reporting different experience. You wrote about your problem with Fantabaldu, but you are not the only person working with him. Maybe other people had/have positive experiences. Maybe this is the reason you are reading different opinion about that case.

This is not matter of Italy. This is an italian speaking forum, the majority of members are italians. But you have been allowed to tell your story against an italian and writing in another language (you knwow an authomatic translation does not return proper language). Also, I'm here to reply you in english just to make you more comfortable even if I know lot of IB members do not speak english.

We are correct, please be correct.

As I already wrote in the first thread, due to it looks that Fantabaldu is connected in some way with asian bookmakers, your story is not OT in this Forum. In other words, it's a general interest to have more info.

But, please, do not use this forum for personal problems pourposes and do not generalize.

Many thanks



scusate per la risposta in inglese ma volevo che fosse nachoman a capire, il mio inglese comunque credo che sia molto comprensibile ...e non certo perchè è una figata ma in certi casi è meglio!

[mengoneur]

In verità  caro web anche il suo inglese (di nachomen) è ben comprensibile , per chi lo mastica almeno un po'.
Un'idea PERSONALE derivante dalle informazioni giunte , me la sono fatta ed è quella di evitare , per quanto possibile , e compatibilmente la propria attività  , la presenza di intermediari tra punta e il banco.
Per me comunque il thread è di assoluto interesse e pertinenza.
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